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Three Poems Known

anungarrayididitdotcopas — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 04:45:44 +0000

Three Poems Known

(written ninth August 2008)

Would that she not wonder

Why the loot stripped ripped asunder

For a face to plunder

Will straw hats shake out the wonder

Of how someone spoke their number

In advising child like kind of slumber

To go head on down

To the depths of town

Wherein be the best thieves around

For to escape from

Straw hats have broken of

No less than festooned from

Want to prove

Worth in the groove

Of having briefly suffered alike upon

Those words first

Whose work earned

The worth unturned

The Olympics are on

Nothing going for a song

My son’s leaving the whirl

Of how many artifical pearls

Might have been too long

Sold thus upon

For the life of heaven

While ever the leaven

Never ever depends on

That the countenance of hell goes on

So if you’ve found this

And are in a wee fix

Best remember forever

There never was better

And that blessed best

Finds no future in debt

But are debts of the past unpaid yet

The only ones with

Any legitimate claim

Against

Australian Aboriginal basis

To ask for financial reparations

Became portrayed as though racists

When the real engagers

In racial based hatred

Were wondering too long

Upon the nature

Of Australia’s Aboriginal status

And imagined into the equation

A couple of thick idiots

Thick enough to attempt the theft

Of that status

Of being indebted to by

Aborigines on high

But Lord what have they done

Hardly bares accounting the sum

Total abrogation

Of why any fact is ever won

Between his and hers

The queer’s strange world

And the work’s next code unfurled

Why in full view of the sky

The deed had been done

By which to lock none

For the claim had begun

Within their same one

Another like the other

anungarrayididitdotcopas — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:23:49 +0000

Another like the Other

The accumulation of capital

Is dependently fixed upon

Communication prevention

Between indigenous and refugee stations

While to reconcile national salvation

Each place depends upon

Use of money belong

To love of Earth strong

Let these words sing money’s song

For tired I am of

Awakening in Dreams of

The purses which

Build only delusion

While I have seen

Reality blessed

And my message of this

By heart’s nature

A shape shifter

Might my changes make

None other but the disenfranchised

Rich

For into the shape of a coin

Have my heart and spirit toiled

Gears well oiled

Learned by bacterial foils

To shift

If only I can avoid

Money’s lazing drift

Of working to earn what

We had no real need of but

When the work the Earth needs of us

Was being ignored

So for money that implores

Us to work for no more

Than to save her the Earth

Know we can buy of

No more than to sustain of

The conscience within which

To reforest the planet

Start immediate

Feed all its people

Educate the masses of its

Forgone conclusions

That this poem is

Not written to get rich

For by money yet

Will love be well

When truth proves this I tell

The money is fell

For by its

Dreams of flora and fauna

And the soil’s bacteria

Will the ants have you

Unless by money

You buy only

What saves Earth’s trees too

Conclusion

anungarrayididitdotcopas — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:48:08 +0000

I have a conclusion

About money’s delusion

In which

I have realised its

Abuse is

Through you who

Fail to realise your own

False advantage grown

Was always penned in

By the owners of monetary capital

Enabling those they groom well

To imagine that if

This place here is new to you

Then those whom oppress you

Are those old to it

This place on Earth

And might include who loved it first

While if you are

Among those longest here

That your oppressor

Must be thus

Those most newly arrived to our shore

But hereby

Do I declare

Of my heart’s nature forever belonged here

Have I

Become by skin colour

Culture and religious basis

As much like those from many other places

Therefore and thereby

Their money world I defy

So blame me well if you like

For I am white

A descendant of invaders

And religious conspiracies

Yet never not been

Indigenous

The Poem Mistaken

anungarrayididitdotcopas — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:42:19 +0000

The Poem Mistaken

Is a title made in caution

For what is my meaning

Do not read of war’s feeling

To be certain:

If, or is it since

Any legitimacy in war

Could have only one cause

Being the protecting of children

When all other methods are failing

But when also it is

That money’s real cause

Is precisely only

That of protecting children

And thus any legitimacy in war

Must be a latter solution

To that we use money for

And after the failure of

Money’s providence

Therefore

When a soldier is paid

The money he earns

Can only disprove

Legitimacy in war

Thus let us not be too poor

To protect what childrhood is worth

Let us not fail to suggest

That social justice works best

By redistribution of wealth

That every child has real access

To what protects

For if we want peace

Motherhood’s love

Is worth no less

Than money’s means

Always being put to the test

UNTIL WILL

anungarrayididitdotcopas — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:26:22 +0000

Until To herThey doTo doOf herBut unableDo herYet fearThrough herThey mightHave wantedTheir failureBe thatWhich doHerIs of herTo want herFor her will beTo have knewHow to do through HerDeath beThe partyTo Allah’s willIn her thus stillYet one dayOne man willDo naught butThatShe is his ownIn Allah’sWillAs any rhyme’s hillMight these lines fillYet that do IThis my guiltUntil

A FEW HARDER POEMS And Why Web log

anungarrayididitdotcopas — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:17:56 +0000

Like all my work this is copyright protected and needs to be attributed, but can be shared if not-for-profit, and so long as there are no derivatives. I tend to use my wordpress, and other, web logs, to place my writing into while it is not yet in a final draft, so you might need patience.

Tobacco

I know of a bloke

Who holds his accounts afloat

By blaming whomever

Need partake of

Any medicine

That is prescribed within

Legislation

And when

Once I believed him

Then he told me I needed

To get such medicine

Of the anti-psychotic variety

Presumably

From believing in him

And I got and took it

And I found therein

All my Dreams turned in

To the nightmare of

His own hate for life

And his own worth depised of

In his consciousness

That such as he is

He needed to force me

Psychologically

To take such medicine

Only so as he

Could be manifesting

Any real sanity

While in the meantime

I stopped taking the medicine

Then stopped needing him

Then recovered

So all is well but

For to find that

He still blames me at

And sought to force me

Take such medicine again

So as to enable

That my own Dreams

Of reality

Can make only himself stable

And have no way

To manifest me

Which supposition

I resisted immensely

Until now here you see

I am remembering

That when I took of

That anti-psychotic

Medicine

I promised myself

In each swallow

To take upon myself

What he blamed me with

While he imagined

His own good health

At my expense his dish of wealth

And so now might I

Begin

To believe I

Can condemn

His falsehoods

By every swallow

Of any future medicine

Including even

The food I buy

That well might you also

Remember me and give it a try

To improve your own mental health

Just by

Commitment to believe

In only what has evidence

Every time you chew

And swallow what

It is you your self need

And as for the bloke

His last delusion of me

Will be for him to choke

Since he believed in

My worldly offer

Of health to him

As though without

That accompanying

Condition

That he like me

Give up

Tobaccoo

The Cry That Knows No Supposition

There are some who suppose

Having a baby

Enables absolution

Of any sin in

The acts of

Sexualised behaviour

That is enabled

Facilitate conception

Which can be true

Of course only because

There is no absolution

Of any crime against

The child born

That sin-less sex

For procreation

If in truth had a pleasure motivation

Is made more expensive

In the measure of sin

Than is sex with contraception

In every instant in which

Your babe in arms

Cries

With consuming the world’s poor tide

And you can not yourself

Immediately resolve

The tears of the child who knows time

For your own act caused

That you must realise

What every sexual expense will be ever of

For in giving birth

The lesson is

This experience

Is just the beginning

Of responsibility

For far more than the

Simplicity of pleasure’s fee

So be not one among

Those decreasing sums

Of folk who in some

Maddened mind supposed upon

What is the nature of being willing

And what that fact of consent

Can have done to the cost of love’s rent

Tonight’s Dream

Tonight my Dreams have been

Evidenced to be invaded

Interrupted by police asserting

Their own false control of our Dreamtime

Such that we may detect

What in we have been leaking

From our minds into police delusions

About the imagination

Of control of ancient song cycles

That I will permanent

Refuse to get

Tricked into such assertions

For I know true

The Dreamtime belongs with me and you

And every mind law abiding

For in Allah the truth

Even the criminal’s mind

Need not accept of

Police accusing

As though their cause is

No more than to convict their own story

So let them live only in the day time

In the world of the physical evidence mind

While will I ever persist

In explaining

Through Dream lines

Of Song cycles

Travelling the Earth’s ley lines

Have no far of police assertions

For will I reassert the thing

To believe in

If your own Dream cycle

Is real

And the Song lines your deal

Believe in Allah

Jesus is King

And Qur’an belong to the land

So tonight

Like every night

When woken upon a Dream with might

Will I awaken to engage in

Enacting what through True Law is proven

That this night is including

Refuting police asserting

Their control of our song

Has any relevance upon

Ancient story cycles reforming

Allah forever will love the land

Jesus is King

Thus tells Qur’an

That poem is one which was composed at about 2.30 am this morning 4^th October 2007, after waking in a fright exactly as the poem describes, and then using my words, spoken aloud, to counter what was frightening me in Dreams. After that I wrote the poem. This is normal for my process. So normal in fact that for me, every day, the new poetry I make, seems suddenly more important than any previous; but I know that is not usually true, and that I can improve upon each and every. However, the purpose of my web logs is to document the original compositions, just in case, in our collective Dream mind, the words I make might need to be traced.

I Have Been

Been prosecuted in mind with

Not being black enough of kind

To that the socially acceptable give

But when of their gift is

Only the greed to be whiter

Which they give of by theft of

What I had been of blacker than them

And when I refuse

To take into my behaviour

What it is that I take in mind of them

Are they accusing me

Of being too white

When what I can see

Is that my own behaviour

Is already much blacker

That must I mentally point to

Their insidious ignorance

Of their own whiteness

As my methodology blackly

In tackling the whites who

Tend to

Be less able resist

Behaving only as they have Dreamed through

In pleasure seeking they do

Yet either skin colour

Bears with less consequence

In how black any of us are

In the final analysis

And of how dark our children are

Than does real culture

In which

The patterns for whiteness

Have an extra layer of pride that

Is not how we are made but

Neither externally apparent

Except in that

It is opposite

To black people’s pride at

The fact that most white have

More pride in

The most intimate secrets

Pride held between lovers

Is that which never registers

The full consequences

That of fear of

By the minded way of why

I believe I am truly

An Australian Aborigine

Despite my white skin covering

So have bound myself down by

The culture well founded

In what ever made any one

Deadly black

Thanks for reading me

Alaykumuassalam Rivaq

The Lesson in Aboriginal Australian Initiation

anungarrayididitdotcopas — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 05:03:01 +0000

The following poem is as direct a way as possible of imparting the essence of the indigenous world of Australian Aborigines. Usually the teaching is not quite so direct. But the critical essence is that of our inseminating motivation in using Animist methodology; and that fact that such motivation has essentially always been fully Human.

Want Not Ill

I can want

A multitude

Of things

Perhaps only because

Of having been given

But what is it

I can be

Willing to want

If not just will to work to belong

Among who are at one with God

Is what will cure me

Of ever wanting what was wrong

Whether to be cured by

Learning the opposite

Through positive re-enforcement

Reconciling to truth meant

Or by learning how I orient

Into what I will not

Want to be permanent

By being causal to want of

For just the right length

Of time until

I awaken to conscious fear of ill

The reason this single and obvious aspect of indigenous Australian teaching is being made so very explicit today, is because there are those whom abuse our culture, but portraying us as always liking to fall into any want which might be thrust upon us. The fact is that the conditions in which we can encourage one another to accept enactment of specific wants, are those conditions in which there is a set up such that the experience provides a lesson about why not to want certain modes of mental patterning.

This poem is copyright to me, Rebecca Copas, aka ANungarrayididitdotCopas, and along with all that I own, is owned by a.c.n. 123 212 671 pty ltd.

The copyright is not for sharing in this instance, it must be attributed, and it is always NOT FOR PROFIT, true to the Spirit of every true intiation into the tradition of the Prophets.

anungarrayididitdotcopas — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:25:12 +0000

The Unknowable Poet’s Best Met Sum

When the fun

Men are having

Is that of some

Other male company

They forget the run

In female minds

Reminding why

In Angels

True teaching rely

That they turn away

From such a day

That could’ve been sublime

In favour of

A peaceable lie

So honour

The women whose lives

Are spent young by time

As a minority among

Men no other women will touch

For a man’s mind

Belies his favour of such

As those women whose love

Never in motherhood

Well protects all our children thus

By showing to men

How ugly it gets

When

She is hating him such

For his failing to fly

Among Angels

To seek for the key

In the sky

Of every child’s need

For vindication just

Reality must

Not deny

A child who bleeds

Only for the sake of

The lies of false peace

As is enabled

By men that deny

Motherhood’s cry

So love the working girls

Whose lives

So painted will die

For in life

This is the right

Of belief

In her crime thus

Is at times

No more than

Making it safe to know how to touch

The Cure of Teenage Depression: song of motherhood’s love strong

anungarrayididitdotcopas — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:48:18 +0000

The Cure of Teenage Depression: the song long of a mother’s love strong

They tell me these days

Teenagers have depressed ways

Yet of our every tomorrow

Has the world already such sorrow

That the feeling they describe to me

As though illness be

No real clinical depression

But not more than

Just ordinary normal need for

Being accepted

A real person

With real Human feeling

And the solution

No less real

To just get up and feel

To pay no heed to informed needs

As of that we have to

Be happy in each minute we breath

Yet neither might we need

Complain about each sorrow

For not everything we have been taught

Is what need might hold on

And to complain upon

What is negatively experienced

Only imposes that exact sound

So worsens the

which such sad songs

Ever could hang around for long

So just get up and work

Put your hand to the job

Of which ever next task comes along

Work it to the tune of

Love will ever be strong

No matter what else is going on

Your work is to make tomorrow

The happier song

And for now

The smallest moments

Of rest in the innocence that is bliss

Are to be believed in

As what of us God loves the best

So put your hand up for the job

Of working to make sure for your own self

God’s love for you is long

This poem is made in mind of my older son, who at fifteen, has yet not the worldly wisdom to recognise the extraordinary efforts, and well minded consideration of all Humanity, he is already setting himself off in the journey of. This is just another part of my prayer for his life long work, of accomplishment that will be made real, for as the Southern Cross shines upon his life, so is his steel.

Jesus in Islam: the discourse to prove Muslims being believers

anungarrayididitdotcopas — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:28:21 +0000

Salamualaykum who can read this,I began this writing with a question about the translations that follow, from Surah The Women at verse 157. This article of my writing you will only find repetitive if you first realise my meaning well. It is formed through responses in Muslim internet forums to an original posed discussion about meaning in translation. For non-Muslim Christians reading this, you can use these translations to know there is no difference between He whom is called Isa and He whom is called Jesus; they are the same man and in everlasting life, only differently named in different language of a different time. It is also an article with reference to the larger concerns in Islam, in which we might always need for specific translations to become available in true meaning at the right time. There are only a few Arabic words in use, and I will advise the reader to ascertain the meanings of these by cross referencing as many translations as is possible. For example: I might define Jahannam as meaning the concept of fire applied to mental concentration upon the causes of and reason for death; while another Muslim might define Jahannam as “Hell”, or as “The Fire”, and none might be less wrong. Another word in use is “sihr” which has been often defined in English as black magic, but because of the wrongful use of sihr against that translation, I will not use it, but rather apply the definition of the wrongful use of sihr being that of using only four known ill minded manipulations of the action potential travelling through Human neurones to effect a more decided manipulation of the entire bio-chemistry, and which are causal to the need for the phenomenon of pestilence, war, famine and death. The two forms in which we are taught to counter wrong acts caused through sihr, are that of the shirk, which transposes into pestilence, and that of kafr which transposes into death; those transpositions being the primary method of escaping mental entrapment into false belief in lies.The fundamental message is that we need not fear our own fears of what is being done against us. To acknowledge and live with our fear when it is real, is to begin to learn how to diminish the fear.

I have witnessed the following verse often use to attempt to repudiate Gospel. Bear in mind that in Qur’an we are commanded to refer to Gospel as the real teaching, and also Torah. We are instructed that there is an “abrogation” of Torah and Gospel into Qur’an, such that Qur’an is knowable to sustain the entirety of Torah and Gospel, yet with many less words in use, such that finding the vision of reality can be a more elusive pursuit.

The verse I am begun by questioning the translation of is:English Yusuf Ali: [4:157]
That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
English Shakir: [4:157]
And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
English Qaribullah: [4:157]
and for their saying, ‘We killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger (and Prophet) of Allah.’ They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but to them, he (the crucified) had been given the look (of Prophet Jesus). Those who differ concerning him (Prophet Jesus) are surely in doubt regarding him, they have no knowledge of him, except the following of supposition, and (it is) a certainty they did not kill him.
English Muhsin Khan: [4:157]
And because of their saying (in boast), “We killed Messiah ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah,” – but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of ‘Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) <><> <>]:
English Pickthall: [4:157]
And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger They slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture ; they slew him not for certain,
What is clear to me is that Isa was not killed. Yet there are many whom use this verse to support an argument that he was not placed upon a wooden cross among thieves. To my belief there were many witnesses of that fact, and within the lifetime of those witnesses, the Jewish scribe named Josephus by the Romans, detailed the events of Isa’s life, as were relevant to the Roman written records of the time. The historical evidence is good enough that the Christian’s who believe in Allah, will hold Muslims whom refute the evidence of the wooden cross, accountable in Allah. There is evidence of this in the group of Hafiz being born among Christian households. Yet I would that we all become Muslim again.What I am in sound belief in Allah of is: that Isa was placed upon a cross to die, and after it came to be that the sensibility of all those around him, had begun to believe he could not still be consciously enabled through his body, and enabled by only the same miracle as his whole life is in being a messenger of Allah, He is alive, and thus his actions were always proving to us that life can continue. The verse tells that he was not killed, and that is clear. It tells also in these translations he was not “crucified”. My own understanding of the meaning of the original is that he was not condemned by Humanity to have to endure the passage of Jahannam. Yet that his mind could understand that men will traverse that mentality, became of his own experience, whilst his body seemed as though dead. His mind undertook that process by will so as that he was never “Salaba”, which is the root verb in Arabic, that has been translated into English as “crucified”.This verse is being used wrongly in a shirk, to portray myself, and many other Muslims, as though ill for ever having believed it acceptable in Allah and as a Muslim, to enter a Christian Church and pray alongside another believer in Allah and in Isa. But it is also used by Christians to repudiate Islam; when in fact it has not any connection with authority to deny Islam and our orientation in Islam to belief with Isa in Allah.I am in knowledge of many born able to recite Qur’an in Arabic, whom are being born today in Christian families. A friend of mine is such a man, and has expressed a dislike of the idea of becoming a Muslim only because of Muslims whom repudiate the fact of Isa having suffered so as all mankind will be able to be forgiven. Why are modern Muslims not being enabled to realise that Islam teaches that same forgiveness simply by instructing every Human within the same basic teaching? Islam should not be bowing down to accepting the lie that there are not Jews and Christians among us, whom are now also Muslims. We can not sustain our Islam whilst letting ourselves become tricked into the falsehood that Jews and Christians are not also enabled to sustain their mind in Allah, only so long as they can believe. To portray every Christian and Jew as being damned with shaytan, is to accuse them and so bears the same account in Allah of the wrong of that the accusation is of. We all know and will ever argue that being Muslim can not be defined as having fallen into committing wrong in sihr, which is as the those named as christians, but whom shirk, have attempted to define us, by tricking the worth of Islam out of real belief with Isa in the passage into Jannah. So let us not fall into that same fault by refuting the real believers whose education has provided their minds with faith in Allah through Christian and Judaic scripture. Or even Hindu, or non-textual Animist faith. If a Human mind is in Allah, we can not be in Allah ourselves if we deny that fact.

I believe that there are many very simple reconciliations of real Christian belief and Islam, but that false differences, are being forced upon many believers. Those differences become usually more apparent to those persons whom want to shirk about their own belief, but also apparent to the astute among those whom they persecute by their shirk. The reason that such falsehoods are being imposed is because of the money which the military investors make from war. Therefore it is wrong of us to let such shirks be enabled.

Many Muslims whom are in real faith in Isa, and believe he was indeed hung upon a cross but that those whom placed him there could not ‘crucify’/ nor kill him, fear being isolated as I have been within Islam, and this is a fact the Ummah must accommodate. I am not isolated by being naïve to the work of shaytan and the shirking that tries to impose the identity of a non-believer upon the real believers; but am isolated because no man could believe that I can sustain the belief required through Isa in Allah, if truly I am still alike to a child in mind, and unable to protect my self from the abuse of the shirk. This is truly my experience, and nobody can remove the experience of any child. I will not suffer that my own children are also denied their real faith in Allah, and through Isa. But I am prevented from providing them with Qur’an. Even I have purchased CD’s of recital, but those whom removed my sons from me, by defiling my own belief, will not enabled my children to listen. So all they have is their knowledge in Isa through mainstream Christian contexts, which are also too often fully an embodiment of shirk. Yet all believers are sustained in belief through such formulations of the teaching as non-believers suppose might only sustain the shirk. I will sustain myself as a Muslim despite the wrong accusations of being an “apopate” which are too often fired against Muslims by other Muslims; but will also that my children can learn that my Islam is correct to the reality of Jesus/Isa, one unique individual man, whom could not be forced to loose his complete accountibility in Allah. My children need his example, even to be brave enough to begin to listen to those CD’s while surrounded, as they are, by non-believers, and still so young as 15, 13, and 10.Those Muslims I have witnessed to be engaging in shirk, are likely have been sponsored by the North American evangelical style churches, but also likely to have been sponsored by East Asian organised crime, or many and any other misconstruction of the truth to enabled shirk. But all the while, the Ummah, is in fact in agreement that no Muslim can define another person whom has claimed a Muslim identity, and whom has pronounced Shahada, as though they had not so pronounced. Even those whom shirk, or are just ignorant to their fall into the Rosicrucian sort of shirk, will be sustained in Islam within their commitment in having pronounced Shahada. Anybody whom doubts this fact needs to attend to the level at which Muslim scholars have agreed to this, as is known to me, and promoted at http://www.ammanmessage.com The Amman Message is the mainstream of Islam, and demonstrates the real worth in Islam, and there are no Muslims whom can sustain denying the fact, without proving inevitably to the world that they shirk. The signatories to the Amman Message are inclusive of those whom we might only too easily suppose to be among the propagators of the shirk; but in Islam we do not accuse them, and we enable their Islamic identification. This is why I am a Muslim and not a Christian, because I have found no such protection among the organised structures named Christian. Yet I can sustain protection for my self and my children only by my knowledge of the Amman Message. Many Muslims pray for us in this, and in Islam the Ummah is better prepared for what may happen in times to come, than the preparation that the Revelations of Jesus to Saint John the Evangelist, can alone have managed to prepare us. Mohammad’s work is truly great because of this fact, that He is to be blessed.The real difference between Christian belief and Islam, is that Christians are expected to comprehend the nature of Forgiveness as a preventative concept; but while Muslims are instructed in a longer process of learning to accept that level of being able to Forgive in which we can truly be Forgiven of our own truth in Isa. To assume that Forgiveness is to just let the act being forgiven go ahead, is to refute Jesus very meaning. Christian churches are not protecting their congregations from the shirk even in the most basic teaching of what to be forgiven really is. I realise that many many Muslims are in far more gracious and realised in constance of realisation of Jesus meaning in teaching of Forgiveness, than are most whom are named Christian, and yet Hafiz are been born among the Christian Ummah. When I first learned my Islam, the context was of a method of teaching those whom are already learned to believe in their self through Christian dogma; and the instruction was to not want to believe in ourselves as Christian, until we are totally convinced in Jesus every act. This method is the way with Isa/Jesus in Islam. We can realise that we need our own evidence in Islam. And when that evidence is supplied we must believe it. The difference is within the quality at which we find we are eventually all becoming unable to refute Isa. Christian and Muslim experience is essentially the same, but in Islam we are informed of the process of that experience; and thus informed we know better than to claim of the identity of being with Isa, until that fact is indeed reality.

The worth of the Christian world, in the evidence of Jesus, will be returning to Islam, because of the agreements made in the past between Christians and Muslims, having been broken by those naming themselves Christian while in actual ignorance of what Jesus meaning is, and this fact is in full evidence in my own experience; but such worth of evidence can not transpire to any Muslim whom pursues that same shirk about the meaning of forgiving with Isa. Nevertheless, today, I know many more Muslims in true believe with Jesus, than I know of those within Christian identification whom claim to have the real story of Jesus as their own, and claim of it as though no Muslim can know it, only because we sustain belief in the verse I quote.My full belief is that: even in fearing being confronted by other Muslims, whom had wanted to depose me in my Islam because of my ability to believe in Isa ever alive, my ability to believe the truth in Isa when within a Christian framework of teaching, and my support of his teaching of Everlasting life; is that I can still orient my belief in Isa better among Muslims than among those Christian Churches whom sponsor the falsifications in Islam. So I will continue in Islam within a fully Muslim self identification, but I can not deny my belief that an attempt was made to crucify and kill Isa, that the attempt was as extreme as nailing him to a wooden cross among thieves, and the failure of that attempt speaks of the immeasurable worth to every Human of believing in Allah through Isa. How else might we ever attain Jannah, for the Angel of Death will not show us the way unless we are of strong will in Isa, to endure what each we are potentially able to so suffer while sustaining clear will to our account in Allah. The experience of the grave is the reality which will prove me.So my question became about the full textual interpretations in tafseer of the verse I quoted above. Are there Muslims whom can provide any data for repudiating those Muslims whom have used the verse to try to prove to my children and my father, that I am not a Muslim?Specifically I have recently read the following I now quote from “skillganon”, a moderator at the My Islam Web internet forum, also named Musa, in a copyright post of text about Isa. I will use his quote here because I believe his belief is sound to that he has been educated for. Musa displays considerable English language scholarship in his post about the crucifixion of Jesus, and in many other similar posts. He writes:

“There seems to be an agreement that the correct interpretation is that the resemblance of ‘Eesa (Jesus) was put over another man.”

The fact to my knowledge is that such a framework of belief is that which the Rosicrucians sponsor, and thus is exactly what we are asked not to believe through other verses of Qur’an. Those verses which warn us of the falsification in which Trinity is not able to be understood by the contemporary mind, are the same exact falsification. Musa goes on to write that Jesus actualised laughter at those whom had been tricked by such a process and had supposed him dead; but when my own lessons in Isa include that of a fact that He never laughed. How can such a problem exist between Muslims that we can not find the same evidence? (not to mention the shirk having been placed into my capitalisation of “He” when referring to Isa, as though I had been in idolatry – but when rather my real meaning is of deference to him in his being a Man, and myself woman; in which I as easily can write of Musa, that He is a commendable Muslim scholar.)

I know that perhaps those many other Muslims whom believe with me in Isa, will only be able to regard this post as naïve and to be overly exposing my self; but I can not lie in this matter. Neither am I receiving enough protection from within the Ummah to cover myself in a Muslim identity whenever those whom repudiate Isa try to deny my Islam. The real Christians in my life, unsupported by church institutions, are those more likely to want to protect my mind, when my family will not, but are usually themselves also unable to lie in Isa and that is why they are not Muslim. My family are not protecting me because, although I am unwed, I refuse to accept the conditioning of making accusations, and also refuse to deny the lesson of Ka’ba; and this has been a life long experience in which I have proven multiple times I can not alone change my parents mind about my refusal to accuse. Today because I am a Muslim they suppose that their allegations against me are justified, but then I find that other Muslims are supporting my parents refusal to protect me, by such acts as sending me personal messages in internet forums which accuse me of not being in Allah because of my faith in Isa. These sort of experiences are escalating around me, in conjunction with the Australian police having been escalating a supposition of having control over my living, and being able to protect themselves from their knowledge that they have done wrong to my children and thus also to my self in motherhood. So it becomes very clear to me that a large shirk is taking place, that is engaging in the falsification of Isa’s life’s work, and it is exactly that shirk which Qur’an orients the mind against. Where I live I am not being made welcome at Mosque because of this orientation in my belief, and I am neither welcome in any local Christian Church while in Hijab.

How can I respond to this situation other than to read it as a sign in Allah such as prophesy indicates will take place.

Inshallah I will be enabled in repudiating every Muslim whom has fallen into the rosicrucian lies about Isa.

Subhanallah those whom portray their own belief as Christian and defy Isa through their own falisifications of Islam, will find their end with my own.

In my own life I have had to accommodate meeting with a larger than is normal quantity of individual persons whom are the shaytan. Therefore, I have had to learn to accommodate fully in Isa, the teaching of why, and how to prevent myself falling to their method. If I had not so learned I could not now still be of this life. It is clear that Jesus/Isa sufferance was to defeat the shaytan and to defeat the mentality in which Jehannam is comprehended. It is clearest in that what he taught thereafter, of Revelations to Saint John the Evangelist, (whom is recognised among Muslims), about the events of the future in which the accounting is fully revealed to every Human being, for every act which today is still of unaccountable wrong of sihr. Isa’s accomplishment is no less, and is in fact the necessary pre-requiste for Islam to have become the perfected Deen. We need Isa for his revelation which Mohammed existed within, and need Mohammed’s work so as to ourselves comprehend Isa as we need. The fact that all Jehannam’s fear, was Isa’s to first count, is why we are commanded to accomodate Gospel as Muslims. Yet Christians must make no mistake in this, because we are also commanded never to enable any person whom is not already a Muslim, to hold any account against us.

I can believe that there were many non-believers whom nailed Isa to a wooden cross: but that so nailed up among criminals, they could not kill him, and neither could they impose upon him, or upon anybody, to believe of him that he could have been belonging among those of the criminal mentality of Jehannam/the fire that is named also as Hell.

Thanks here need to be given to a Muslim whom responded to my initial article posted at the trinimuslims website, for their providing the word “salaba” into the dialogue. I have been pondering the full meaning of this root verb today, while re-editing this article. The word usually translated as “to crucify” is the derivative “salabuuhu” which implies also a choice is in transition. Yet we can not comprehend salabuuhu, without first being certain of salaba. Salaba has a strong connotation within my own immediate mental associations, with having committed an act which did participate in causing that Jehannam exists. The “s” and “l” imply a certainty of truth that need be held alone in Allah because it is only to be borne in danger, while the “b” implies an active participation. In that we can know that being receptive to being nailed upon a cross can not possibly fulfill the meaning. But that those whom nailed Isa to a cross, were accustomed to believing that any person so hung to die, might want to attempt to access knowledge of wrong committed in sihr, so as to escape the penality of their own public death among criminals. So clearly the words are in application to Isa in his mental capability rather than only in the bodily experience.

The translation into English of ‘to crucify’ is suffering from the world in which shirk has been applied to the meaning of ‘to crucify’; such that we are being limited in our comprehension of Arabic by the translation of Arabic into English. The Arabic original holds no creedence in denying that Isa was nailed to a wooden cross.

Inshallah everyone will realise this in time to avert the perils of the war in the middle east from going too far.

Skillganon has also replied to my original article, and begins to be telling very truthfully, that it is an accepted point of view in Islam, that Isa was only “made to appear” as though dead and crucified, and the next three paragraphs are how I respond:

The words “made to appear” are not exclusive of the concept that being actually nailed to a wooden cross is how it was made to appear that Isa was killed and crucified. In fact in many languages the word for to crucify is a word meaning to be killed while in mind of entering Jehannam. Qur’an is telling us that no person could impose upon Isa that he die while in mind of Jehannam.

We must be very careful about a shirk having been embedded with a falsehood about the entymology of the word “Christ”. One Muslim suggested to myself that the Greek, “Christos” is enabling more than the English “Christ” because of the extent of the shirk in the English language. To crucify is a term defined not by nailing to a cross, but by the intending of those whom commit the act being to force the person they nail to seem like a criminal, and thus to seem to need to enter Jehannam. It is akin to translation from Arabic about a person being stoned to death, and Mohammed speaking against such.

Also, I know that there is a mainstream accepted view point among Muslims, but when I read Qur’an what arises in my mind has a far better reconciliation with the Gospel in any of the translations I can find were being depicted through commentary. So long as we bear Allah in mind, we do not fall into the shirk of those whom abused the translators real worth.

I will add to this now, that there is also that difference between the mind entering into acknowledging Jehannam through Ka’ba, in which truly a state of salaba is implied, and the mind acknowledging jehannam through only having been informed that another Human life was suffering the sate of salaba. Truly Isa found his mind, if ever, able to acknowledge Jehannam, only through forgiving among whom find their minds entrapped by wrongs committed in sihr. Yet they could not force Isa to salaba.

What needs to be consistently clarified, is the devout belief enabled through Isa, that no person could ever in Allah, or even without being in Allah, impose upon any other person that their mind accepts the status of being in Christos/crucified/stoned/salaba. If our mind knows salaba it is of our own actions to have caused such. This is the lesson that Ka’ba embodies, and our need of this lesson is why Abraham built it for Ishmael. Today already even the descendants of Isaac are in need of utilising Ka’ba to ascertain our depth of salaba.

Just as we must all eventually accept ourselves as the cause of our own death, we must also accept that alike to killing, it is a sin to impose fear of being caught eternally in Jehannam upon the mind of any other person. If a person every enacted such a deed as might justify that state of existing, it is theirs to know and no other person’s knowledge to have. Thus even we might realise that to accuse any other person, the acquiring of what to accuse with, becomes the fact of an active entry to the condition in salaba.

That fear is akin to the fear that life is not. And yet within that sort of fear, which here in Australia is already being imposed upon many Indigenous children, only when we can comprehend that existence is constant, and thus in Allah eternity can be, is it that we naturally are caused to want to fear the fire of Jehannam being an enduring phenomenon. If a person such as a kaffur, who can not sustain constance of mind in time, supposes of what salaba is meaning, then their conception of Jehannam is diminished, but such that they openly seek to know of further. Thus we whom can commit, during Ramadan, to realising our own culpability in acts of kafr, as causal to the kaffur existing, will even want that there is not very strong emphasis being placed upon translations of specific meanings such as salaba. This is true simply because the kaffur (and shaytan) are who suppose, in their imaginations, that Jehannam might be avoided once having wanted entry to that path. While Human minds of any sort, can only seek to avoid. Yet the Human mind can conceive of the meaning of salaba, while a kaffur just can not, unless their whole life is totally accepted as the responsibility of a Human. Even though we realise that the shaytan are supposing of themselves to be doing the acts of causing the actual kaffur to exist, by forcing the minds of children to kafr; if we Human beings can not accept that our account in Allah needs to mind that the kaffur have an accountability to us more strongly than to the shaytan (since they are truly fully ignorant to the effects of their ill mindedness), then we also fall into that salaba state which the shaytan caused by imposing kafr. That is to say, the imposition of kafr mind upon a child can not cause their salaba, but only the acceptance of the truth of how to prevent the kaffur can enable even children to want to find the mind comprehensive of salaba. Ka’ba thus is built to enable that we learn also to prevent salaba, through whatever process each of us therein may find is our own.

So in Isa, what we learn is that He also sought to disprove of that which Satan approached him to inform him of Jehannam about. And that his experience in walking among the evidence which disproves that Jehannam could be eternity for a Human being, did lead him into a situation in which it seemed to many that he was killed and forced into Jehannam because he became done of salaba; most likely because he was nailed to a wooden cross, ceased breathing, and is then placed in a tomb, and the public spectacle was such an unbearable thing to witness, that the witnesses overly imagined of how unfathomable the experience could have been for Jesus.. Yet he was amid experiencing a miracle in Allah, in that his life was still fully evident to himself, and because his life was also fully evident within perfect innocence, the fact that there were forces pressuring him into the mind in Christos/in Ka’ba, as though of bearing Jehannam eternally, is that his internal experience could also disprove to him that any person can force another into the fire through forcing the state of doing the self into salaba. As a Prophet, Isa was in life attuned to the Angel of Death, as every Prophet can only be, liken to those whom experience dying and being revived as approaching a bright white light and being questioned; and so what he kept an account upon during the experience of being nailed to the cross can only have been fully acquitted in Allah, and even begun to be accounted for along with him before he undertook accepting being nailed to the cross. His acceptance of being nailed to a wooden cross, is the best sustained evidence for Humanity of everlasting life in Jannah, and so we must not diminish that.

This is what is most of all important about his life. That he gives evidence that we can not be forced into the fire through having found our self salaba, or into death. Therefore we must accept the mentality of such to be a fault in our own Human condition where such mentality exists. The fire is that end which many will fall to, not by our forcing them, but by our own believing realisations of the reality of what salaba is in our own being, and how it is that Isa avoided that.

How individuals read Qur’an such that ‘the story’ of it, or ‘the song’, or ‘the recital’ in sequence of each Surah, gives such evidence, is perhaps not necessarily always needful of the full data about Isa being nailed to a wooden cross; only so long as the truth that nobody could force death or Jehannam through salaba upon him, even with his awareness already of the lesson in Ka’ba, is really able to be accepted. (in editing this paragraph I first spelt salaba with a capital “S”, in which a shirk became applied through the shaytan interfering with my living memory, therefore this paragraph can now become the route out of the state of salaba for me, which had been orienting to the very word, and also this can provide the way through realising that the fire is not eternal for those who fell not by choice, but by being imposed upon with that very shirk in the word: think clearly thus about what I might have been intending in making this paragraph.)

Despite the fact that Muslims are proven to be able to sustain faith in Isa and Everlasting life, while having been tricked about major interpretative meaning; it is also the case that among Masonic Temples, and especially the rosicrucian factions of, there has been massive efforts made to try to prove that Muslims are not in real faith in Isa, because that is how there exists any semblance of justification of the war in the Middle East. Thus we must not fall to such fallacies. And such has been the significance of this form of shirk, that it became essential to undo it, even at the expense of being overly exposed among many whom want to shirk.

If you find your mind trained into believing that Isa was not who was nailed to the cross, then try also to remember that when we take the lesson of Jesus correctly, we must not preclude those whom have been raised to believe that Isa was nailed to a cross and gave his evidence against the shaytan from within His body in such extreme suffering. If we preclude those whom believe that the story is of the real world, then we are falling into entrapment of seeming to cause that which incriminates our enemies the shaytan, and in which Freemasons are accusing Muslims of being at fault, and supposing of therefore as though the cause of war in the middle east.

But in the world there is needing to be a mass reconciliation between the Christian economy in fall to gog and magog, and the economy in Islam which is truer to Isa.

That is why I make this post.

The word in question, usually translated into English as to crucify, has in Arabic the verb root “Salaba”They could not cause that a force be used to do salaba to Isa
They could not kill Isa
But these facts can not disprove that he became nailed to a wooden crossThe reality is that his worth is all the more meaningful, especially among those whom can recall lynchings etc, when we know that even nailed upon a wooden cross and left to die; there was no method by which Isa/Jesus became salaba. Because of this very meaning, we must bear with disputing those whom try to tell us that the real Isa was not nailed to a cross.The fact of salaba is connected with loosing full accountibility through Isa, and in Allah, for your every act. That we realise thorugh Ka’ba is only the consequence of being salaba.

They could not kill nor impose salaba to Jesus

Salaba is to loose full accountibility in Allah of one’s every moment

That they could not Salabuuhu Isa, is that he could not be forced to choose belief in the shirk as method to reduce the pain he experienced nailed to the cross.

Because these facts are the truth in reality, that Isa could not be killed nor salabuuhu, we can all, by believing in Him, realise ourselves in salvation. The self regard of a person whom is certain of their own salvation, was often being denied myself in the past; but in proving that there is no shirk or kafr, or any ill of sihr, which is possible to be sustained about Qur’an, or even Gospel or Torah, when within the application directed in Qur’an, it can also be proven that there need never be a removal from one person, of their self esteem, so as to furnish another person with their own real self esteem, so long as we are all enabling in Allah of abiding in that work we live towards accomplishing, and are enabling of real needful Zakat.Ramadan Mubarak Salam (article complete Brisbane 14^th August 2007)